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Shari Eberts – The Experience of Living With Hearing Loss

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Shari Eberts

Shari Eberts is an internationally recognized advocate for hearing loss, having lived with hearing loss herself. She runs the weekly blog, “Living With Hearing Loss,” which has been cited by publications such as The Huffington Post, Healthy Living Magazine, and Woman’s Day. She is a sought-after keynote speaker on hearing loss issues and is the author of Hear & Beyond: Live Skillfully with Hearing Loss. She is a Board Member for the Hearing Loss Association of America (HLAA) and the Executive Producer of the award-winning documentary, We Hear You.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn: 

  • Shari Eberts’ journey with adult hearing loss
  • Living skillfully with hearing loss in your community
  • The gradual expansion of hearing technology and education
  • Shari shares life hacks for people with hearing loss
  • What Shari’s next book is all about
  • The state of healthcare and hearing loss treatment

In this episode…

Approximately 5% of people currently live with hearing loss and a wide range of experiences exist within that number. For some, it’s a slight impediment that doesn’t change their daily routine. For others, it’s a condition that comes with a host of challenges and additional considerations. It can be hard to relate if you don’t share the diagnosis, which is why it can be so powerful to hear from those who do. 

Shari Eberts has lived with hearing loss for most of her adult life, driving her towards advocacy in the field. She has a published book, updates a successful weekly blog, and speaks at conferences and panels. During her experience, she has developed certain tips and outlooks on what it means to live with hearing loss. Now she talks about them with the other 95%.

Dr. Mark Syms sits down with Shari Eberts, an internationally recognized advocate for hearing loss, to discuss hearing loss and how to live skillfully through it. They touch on Shari’s journey and share a host of tips and tricks on how to navigate life with hearing loss. Lastly, they talk about the need for community and further acceptance of accommodations. Check out all of this and more on this episode of the ListenUp! Podcast.

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Sponsor for this episode…

This episode is brought to you by the Arizona Hearing Center.

The Arizona Hearing Center is a cutting-edge hearing care facility providing comprehensive, family-focused care. Approximately 36 million Americans suffer from some sort of hearing loss, more than half of whom are younger than the age of 65. That’s why the team at the Arizona Hearing Center is focused on providing the highest-quality care using innovative technologies and inclusive treatment plans. 

As the Founder of the Arizona Hearing Center, Dr. Mark Syms is passionate about helping patients effectively treat their hearing loss so that they can stay connected with their family and friends and remain independent. He knows first-hand how hearing loss can impact social connection and effective communication. By relying on three core values—empathy, education, and excellence—Dr. Syms and his team of hearing loss experts are transforming the lives of patients. 

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Episode Transcript

Intro  0:04  

Welcome to the ListenUp! Podcast where we explore hearing loss communication connections and health.

Dr. Mark Syms  0:10  

Hey everybody, Dr. Mark Syms here, I’m the host of the ListenUp! Podcast where I feature top leaders in health care. This episode is brought to you by the Listen up Hearing Centers, I help patients to effectively treat their hearing loss so that they can remain independent and connect better with friends and family. The reason I’m so passionate about hearing loss is I lost my brother Robbie twice, first from his hearing loss from radiation to his brain tumor. And then again, when he passed away, I don’t only care for yours, I’m the IE, the ear of ear, nose and throat. I’ve performed over 10,000 surgeries and cared for many more patients with nerve Hearing loss. I’m the founder of listen up Hearing Centers. And I’m also the author of a book of the same name. Listen Up: A Physician’s Guide to Effectively Treating Your Hearing Loss. If you want to learn more about that go to listenuphearing.com. Today, I’m really excited about our guest Shari Eberts. She is a passionate hearing health advocate. And this is a great connection, somebody to talk to. She’s an internationally recognized author and speaker on hearing loss. She’s the founder of Living With Hearing Loss of popular blog, if you want to go look at that it’s www.livingwithhearingloss.com, which is an online community community for people with hearing loss. She’s also an executive producer of We Hear You an award winning documentary about the hearing loss experience. And she now has a book Hear & Beyond: Living Skillfully With Hearing Loss is the ultimate survival guide of living with hearing loss. You can learn more about that book at hearing hearandbeyond.com. She’s in she has an adult onset hearing loss. So it’s a firsthand knowledge about this. And she hopes by sharing her story that she’ll give others to be able to live more peacefully with their own hearing loss. This is great a firsthand account of what it’s like and somebody who’s really gone to all sorts of media to talk about it. Shari, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Shari Eberts  2:03  

Thank you for having me.

Dr. Mark Syms  2:05  

Oh, you’re welcome. So tell me a little bit about I mean, you’re in multiple media, right? You’re in blogs, you’re you’ve got documentary, you’ve got a book. You’re that’s really prolific and having done some of that stuff. I add admire just your tenacity to do all that stuff. Because it takes a lot of work to do it. How did you go from somebody who got diagnosed with hearing loss? What was that journey journey like for you?

Shari Eberts  2:27  

Well, it was a long road. Because when I first got diagnosed, I was in my mid 20s. But my journey really started many years before that watching my father battle, his own hearing loss issues. And he was tremendously stigmatized by his hearing loss. So he did everything that he could to hide it. He never asked for any help. He never asked for people to speak up or to repeat things. He just kind of bluffed his way through life. And so I watched that experience. And when I began having my hearing issues in my mid 20s, it was in business school. And so I started missing comments, and you know, some of these large classrooms, and I had really been hoping that it would skip my generation, but obviously, no such law. And I went to get the hearing test. And they said, you know, it’s just mild hearing loss. So there’s probably nothing you can really do about it. And that was the perfect excuse for me to just deny and hide, and, you know, the typical seven to 10 years of denial. And so I did that. But eventually, in my work, it was becoming an issue. And with friends who I couldn’t hear well, I was avoiding them. And I just saw myself really following this path of shame and embarrassment that my father had sort of laid out for me. But I eventually did get the hearing aids and I would wear them I would, you know, stick them in last minute before a meeting, and then you know, whip them out as quickly as I could afterwards. But once I had children, everything really changed. And I saw them watching me do the same things that I had seen my father too. And because my hearing loss is genetic, I always worried that I might have passed it on to them that we won’t know until they’re adults as well. But I didn’t want to be continuing that pattern of shame and isolation. So I guess I did a 360 and I really went out there and started to accept my hearing loss. You hugged it, I hugged it. I liked that. And just decided that I was going to set a different tone and so I started writing this blog a little bit almost for therapy, you know, for myself to talk about my feelings about experiences and you know, pump myself up for different challenges. You Yeah, the first post I wrote was around Thanksgiving. And it was, you know, before heading out to my in laws for this sort of loud, exciting, family filled Thanksgiving, and I just was worried that I would be marginalized, and I wouldn’t be able to participate. And so I put it out there and tried to think of, you know, suggestions for things I could do to make it a little bit better, and put it out to the world. And I was just amazed at how many people were feeling the same way because of their hearing loss. And so that was like the catalyst, I felt so empowered by meeting other people with hearing loss and sharing my story and hearing their stories. So it started with the blog. And then I just decided to try and spread that message as widely as I could so tried to write for more mainstream outlets. And then during the pandemic, it really just was such a challenging time for people with hearing loss.

Dr. Mark Syms  6:04  

With masks, it’s just horrible isolation on top of the social isolation theory. 

Shari Eberts  6:10  

Exactly. So we’re like, already isolated. And now here, we are doubly isolated. And we can’t even go out to the grocery store, because we’re terrified of what the person behind the checkout counter is saying, we’re not going to be able to respond. So we decided a group of advocates, we decided to make a documentary about it. And so we did that. And then my co author, Gael Hannan, and I decided to write a book about it as well. And so it’s definitely been a great opportunity to just raise awareness about hearing loss and help people in the mainstream, understand it better. Through the documentary. And then through the book, really, we hope helping people who have your hearing loss, live more skillfully with it. 

Dr. Mark Syms  6:59  

That’s great. So what’s the name of your book again?

Shari Eberts  7:01  

It’s called Hear & Beyond: Live Skillfully With Hearing Loss.

Dr. Mark Syms  7:05  

And the website’s hearandbeyond.com. All right. So people can go and we were talking about on the warm up, they can preorder it, it’s not far off, though. It’s about five or six weeks off to release, May 3, actually might be released by the time this gets published. So people should go and order a copy. And so what’s the structure of the book? In other words, is it chapters by problem? Is it people’s journeys? What what is the style and the format of the book?

Shari Eberts  7:34  

Yeah, so we really try and lay out our, you know, Formula almost for living skillfully with hearing loss. And so it’s chapters on different skills. And then throughout it, Gael Hannon and I we interweave our personal experiences about hearing loss to demonstrate some of the do’s and also some of the don’ts, because, obviously, you know, a life with hearing loss has its ups and downs. So we lay out the book, really, in terms of, you know, how do you live skillfully with hearing loss? So the first piece of that is really understanding the big picture, which is sort of the hearing loss journey. And I think a lot of people don’t really understand that coming into it. 

Dr. Mark Syms  8:19  

I said, 1,000%, yeah, know what they’re getting themselves into, or they don’t even know what they’re already into, and don’t even realize they’re in it.

Shari Eberts  8:27  

100%. And that was exactly the case for me. And Gael had a different story. But the same thing. And we found that we went through a lot of the same stages. But you know, but if you don’t know where you’re going, it’s hard to get there. So we really tried to give that big picture and sort of that roadmap for people. And then the second part is we talk about these three skills, we call them three legs of a stool, because you know how a three legged stool doesn’t waver, you know, even if the ground is is bumpy. And we talk about those. The first is really about attitude change. Because a lot of people have very negative attitudes about their hearing loss. I mean, speaking from experience, I was so stigmatized about it, watching my father and just and why I don’t know why it’s just, it’s sort of a societal pressure that the person with hearing loss is sometimes the brunt joke, or maybe we just feel less strong or less in ourselves that we do more.

Dr. Mark Syms  9:33  

I think society doesn’t understand hearing loss. I think there’s not it’s interesting, you know, some people do better to wear hearing aids that are obvious, because then people actually know you have a hearing loss. So the Hidden Hearing loss, I think, is very difficult. So people don’t naturally think oh, they have a hearing loss. They actually think they’re not the sharpest tool in the shed, and then they start treating you as being unintelligent because you cannot comprehend what What they’re saying, and I think that that’s part of it, you know, it’s not like you lose a leg and you have an artificial leg or you’re blind and you have dark sunglasses. But yeah, so and I think there is a stigma internally as well, because people are associated with certain processes, if not, in your case, but other people’s case, the aging process and things like that.

Shari Eberts  10:18  

Right? No, absolutely. And I think it’s just something that we have to overcome, you know, we have to accept the hearing loss. And we have to feel like we deserve to hear and be heard, and to learn to advocate for our needs, because we do have needs, and we need to ask for them. So that’s sort of that first leg in terms of this attitude change. And we call that a mind shift. And then the second leg is technology. And so that’s embracing hearing aids, or cochlear implants, but also non traditional technologies. So accessories, apps, I mean, if the pandemic taught us anything, is that speech to text technology is advancing very rapidly. And that is life changing for people with hearing loss. So this broad array of technology, also, things like external communications, and accommodation. So hearing loops, card captioning, mean, a lot of these things, people with hearing loss don’t know anything about I didn’t know, I hadn’t even heard of cart or a hearing loop. Until I went to my first HLA convention, you know, many years ago at this point. But it’s not something that we necessarily learn about, from our hearing care professionals. And so we want to make sure that people are embracing all different types of technology.

Dr. Mark Syms  11:40  

Yeah, I say, you know, as somebody who talks to people with hearing loss all day, you know, we almost need like a hearing loss University. I mean, there’s so many topics with so many different things to get people, you know, I mean, you’re at a very high level, right? I mean, getting people to understand that they actually have hearing loss can be a challenge, let alone, you have hearing loss, you have well fitted hearing aids, and you know, that you can get your church to have a loop. That’s really, really well on the journey in terms of acceptance and resolution. 

Shari Eberts  12:09  

Absolutely, although I feel like if technology if these apps, you know, can almost convince people to embrace their hearing loss a little bit more, right. Because if you can go on a Zoom call, and there are captions, then you’ll go on another Zoom call through, then you’ll think, okay, I can ask for captioning at this other place. So I totally agree with you. But it’s just those baby steps. And you know, sometimes an app is almost more, it’s like an easier step request. Yeah, yeah, less threatening, then, okay, now, I’m gonna wear these hearing aids for the rest of my life on my ears. And you know, what you need to, you need to do both, right, most people need to do both. But however we get them there on to that part of the journey is fine with me, you know, let’s just agree. And then the third leg is sort of the non technical piece, we call them communication game chain. And these are things like speech reading, they’re things like identifying as a person with hearing loss. So you know, I have my little hearing loss speech when I meet a new person, or I go to a new conference, or whatever. Because the more you put it out there, and the more you practice that speech, it’s easier every time to just self identify, and then it takes the pressure off. Because if you didn’t hear everything perfectly, it’s not like you have to be embarrassed about I was like, Well, I told you, I wasn’t gonna hear everything perfectly. So could you please repeat that. And we have this handy tool that we call here, which is sort of a four little checklist that you can go through to improve any listening situation. So it’s these three things together, it’s the attitudes is the technology and then these non technical communication game changers that really build that skill set?

Dr. Mark Syms  14:00  

Yeah, you make me recall, I had a patient many years, she’s but she wears, she had a pocket thing that said, I have, you know, like, I think I have hearing loss. And, you know, it worked very well for her because, you know, she’d be like, it disarmed everybody, to already a commentator, but she was far along her journey, I think, you know, because, as you know, there’s an under utilization or acknowledgement of hearing loss in and of itself. And so that’s, that’s part of the problem.

Shari Eberts  14:27  

Absolutely. Absolutely. And then in terms of the bulk what we do is so we have the journey is sort of the first part and then these three legged stool is of skills is the second part. And then the third part is really putting it all together and applying these to the most important parts of your life. Right. So relationships, whether that’s with your family, friends, your work colleagues, all different aspects, because every relationship you have is impacted by your ability to communicate and that is impacted by You’re hearing loss. So we go through various tips for all these different standard scenarios. And then we finally wrap it up sort of into a bow into something we call hearing packs. And there are hacks for, you know, all different types of life hacks now, and there have always been hearing hacks. I don’t know if anyone’s ever sort of put them into a book before. So we’re kind of excited about that. But we have things grow, you know, going to the theater, going to a cocktail party, you know, hiking all different types of activities, sort of a step by step set of tips that people can follow.

Dr. Mark Syms  15:37  

So what are your top three hacks that you like? I mean, you know, just,

Shari Eberts  15:42  

I personally love the hacks for the theater, because I’m a big theater goer. And so for me, when I started having my hearing loss, and I was hiding it, it was just very depressing, because it was something that I couldn’t do anymore. So really, it’s all about doing your research upfront, finding out what type of accommodations are available at a theater, whether there’s a loop, do they have an FM system, are you going to be able to use your T coil with the loop. And then also now captioning system. So at least on Broadway, and I think, also in London, and coming to probably other major cities, is something called gala Pro. And that is something that you can have an app for on your phone. And it’s pre populated with the script, basically, and you can sit there and you have captions with you, you know, on your phone in your seat, that don’t bother anyone because they’re not brightly lit. And you can enjoy

Dr. Mark Syms  16:42  

theater that way. Yeah, it makes sense. There’s not a lot of extemporaneous. I mean, if they’re following the script, they should be able to write, you know, it’s not like somebody goes off script in the middle of Hamilton or something. I mean, they’re supposed to actually sing the songs as they occur, if it pays correctly with?

Shari Eberts  16:58  

I mean, it’s not perfect, because it’s driven by lighting cues and sound cues.

Dr. Mark Syms  17:04  

Some sort of way to stay on. Interesting.

Shari Eberts  17:08  

So it’s not 100% Perfect. But you know, what, if it gets you, you know, 80 to 90% of the way there, and you can also use that with something else, right? So I could have my FM system. And I could have the capture, and so-

Dr. Mark Syms  17:22  

As much data as you can get to your brain about what’s going on, so you can enjoy? Exactly. So that’s a good one, what’s what’s your second most favorite? 

Shari Eberts  17:31  

My second MIBs favorite one is for outdoor activity. And so something like hiking, my family, and I do a lot of hiking. And so making sure that you are in the right position, in terms of the hikers, so that people’s voices are coming at you, I was going to be in the front, you want to be Yeah, either in the front or second, I sometimes make my husband go first, because I don’t want to get the spider webs on me and all that good stuff. And making sure that you’re in the front so that people’s voices are coming in at you. If you have a remote microphone, and you have a large group, you could also give somebody you know, the Roger Pen or something like that, so that the sound is correct.

Dr. Mark Syms  18:12  

But wider trails, does that help?

Shari Eberts  18:15  

Wider trails definitely helps as well. And I think it’s all there. Right? Yeah. And setting a plan, right. So that, you know, if somebody gets separated, you know where you’ll meet up, and to stop and look at the view and have a conversation. And then maybe you change order so that you can spend time hiking with another member of your party. So it’s really about sort of setting that tone and setting the agenda upfront is something.

Dr. Mark Syms  18:42  

That’s really good. It’s kind of interesting, as you’re talking about that as some abnormal hearing, but I’ve done a lot of hiking. My son was very involved in Boy Scouts and stuff. And so even by the dynamic of the group, you you typically end up speaking to perhaps the people who are one up or one below because the nature of it. I mean, if you’re on a more rigorous line hike, there’s just not you can’t have conversation with somebody six behind you. Right, exactly. Well, good. Okay. And then what’s the third? I’m just trying to get them all excited, because then they can get a whole list of hacks.

Shari Eberts  19:13  

Yeah, well, a third, another good. One is for hearing healthcare and not just hearing healthcare, but having hearing loss in a healthcare setting, like going to the hospital. So making sure that you prepare your kit for the hospital because notoriously, you would think you’re going to a situation where doctors will understand people with hearing loss and they just do not and the masking, it’s very, very challenging to communicate. So again, it’s things like planning ahead, seeing if you can get accommodations, making sure that you have apps on your phone that can help you to either amplify amplify better, or speech to text, making sure you have signs that you bring with you that you can hang up around your hospital room if you’re going to be staying overnight in the hospital. Because the shifts change all the time. And it’s hard to continually remind people, I have hearing loss, please speak up, please speak slower. So it’s things like that, again, being prepared self advocating, having signs, make sure you bring a container for your hearing aids because you’re going to take them out to sleep, people are going to come in, they’re going to clean, and bye bye to your hearing aids. 

Dr. Mark Syms  20:32  

So my hearing aids are lost in the hospital all the time. I mean, so much so that the worst mindset is, we’ll have the spouse take them home. So they won’t lose them. It’s like, how does that work, they can’t communicate with you the whole time they’re in the hospital, but people are unaware of that implication.

Shari Eberts  20:49  

100%, you can even put them in a baggie and just use a pin and wear them, you know, when you’re not wearing them in your ears, wear them on your body so that they don’t get lost. 

Dr. Mark Syms  20:59  

But yeah, that’s it. That was those are all great hacks and things that, you know, I’ve experienced, but haven’t really sat down to think about in terms of putting it all together. Well, what’s the next book?

Shari Eberts  21:11  

The next book, we just finished this one. But we would love actually, we’ve talked about we would love to write a book for children with hearing loss, because I think, you know, if you think of as an adult, the isolation that you’re going through and the challenges for a child, there’s probably a different set of those things, but making sure that they use that same stool, right, but just explain it in a way that’s that’s better, and more understandable for

Dr. Mark Syms  21:39  

Yeah, I mean, I’d say that the profound difference, obviously, is self advocacy as compared to parental taught self advocacy, right? So your book is to motivate people with hearing loss to kind of teach themselves to advocate and that in the pediatric population, you have to teach the parents to teach the child to sell because it does always come down to self advocacy. I mean, unless you have one on one teaching. If you can’t hear the teacher, the teacher is going to continue to go on absent you informing the teacher that you cannot hear right now. Well, I look forward to that book as well. Thank you. Wow, this is exciting when again, what’s the the name of the book?

Shari Eberts  22:21  

Hear & Beyond: Lives Skillfully With Hearing Loss?

Dr. Mark Syms  22:24  

How big? Is it just out of curiosity? How big is it how many pages

Shari Eberts  22:28  

I was about 300 pages?

Dr. Mark Syms  22:29  

Wow, that’s-

Shari Eberts  22:30  

It’s very readable. We have we’ve made sure, actually, that there’s a lot of whitespace, we’ve tried to make it as accessible and reader friendly as possible.

Dr. Mark Syms  22:40  

And it’s a reference in some ways, perhaps.

Shari Eberts  22:44  

In some ways, although I mean, you can read it from cover to cover because we do use a lot of humor in it, and tell a lot of stories, personal stories of Gael and mine. So it’s not a dry read, you know, there’s a lot of very, very useful information in there. But you’ll laugh, you’ll cry. It’s, it’s actually woven together in a way that is easy to read. And we hope people enjoy it, in addition to learning something,

Dr. Mark Syms  23:11  

Well, that’s really wonderful that you’re willing to share yourself in that respect. Because, you know, it’s it’s not easy. You know, it seems like you have hugged it. That’s for sure.

Shari Eberts  23:19  

That’s right. I love that.

Dr. Mark Syms  23:21  

Well, I mean, you know, you gotta go go take it. I mean, it’s not going to change, right. I mean, you know, is your hearing loss progressive?

Shari Eberts  23:29  

Yes, it is. So, you know, and so that’s part of really the journey as well, right, is that, you know, that’s what makes hearing loss, a journey and not just a puzzle, right? Because it changes. And so I have to accept that. And I have to make adjustments. Maybe I need different devices five years from now than I needed five years ago. And technology’s changing too. So I need to sort of stay up on what are the new things that can help?

Dr. Mark Syms  23:56  

Yeah, it’s interesting when you said, about hearing loss and healthcare. I mean, it just resonated a different idea with me. So one of the things, you know, when you’re getting the technology, there are what I call sellers of hearing aids, who just are kind of one and done. Here’s your hearing aids, come back and see me if you need me. And, you know, I always say to patients, like it’s a health problem, health problems are monitored, right? I mean, you know, if your primary care doctor said, Here’s your blood pressure pill, take this, come back and see me if you need me, you’d look at him like they’re crazy. And so that mindset shift that it’s a continually monitored disease that needs continuous measurement, monitoring, adjustment. You know, it’s a continuum, right? I have patients who go through the full continuum of technological options for them, because for them, that’s what it is, and they always want to hear as best as possible. That’s really the answer.

Shari Eberts  24:47  

Absolutely. And that’s what I think is so exciting, really about these new advances like maybe the TC hearing aids or these apps because I think once you get used to hearing well, in different On situations, higher level, right, you expect that and you demand it. And so if you’re now not hearing as well as you used to, you’re willing to take that extra step to get additional technology and additional technology. And so it really just puts you on that path of expecting and demanding to stay involved and not isolate yourself and use whatever tools you need to to do that.

Dr. Mark Syms  25:25  

Yeah, I hope you’re right. I mean, you know, the only caveat I would say is people don’t know what they’re not hearing. And so, you know, self assessment of hearing loss is very difficult. And the downside of the apps is they don’t do discrimination scores, but I agree with you, it’s a, it’s a great entry, to get into that area to really get the care that’s, you know, laser focused on different things work for different people I agree on.

Shari Eberts  25:51  

Absolutely. And I think, you know, it’s just getting started, right. Rather than do that seven to 10 years, if you can do maybe, you know, the first three years with an app, and then you come faster to, you know, more of a rich experience. You know, it’s just getting people to care about their hearing to take seriously to realize it’s not just about your hearing, it’s about your overall health, your mental health, your physical health, I mean, you know, that your independence 100%. And so just getting people to start on the journey, I think is such a huge challenge. And so anyway, they can do it.

Dr. Mark Syms  26:29  

I agree. 1,000%, right, you know, get started and then figure out what the most optimal way, right? I mean, it’s kind of an exercise, right? Just get moving, right? And then if there’s a specific goals, or you want to be better, then you can become a student of it and become better and better. So if you do, you’re not going to get better if you don’t move, right, you’re not going to get better if you don’t do anything about your. So this is great. So one of the questions I love to ask people is, what’s your favorite sound?

Shari Eberts  26:55  

Yeah, that is a good question. And my favorite sound is actually the sound of the ocean. Coming over rocks. There’s one beautiful beach, in the Virgin Islands in St. John, that my family visits a lot. And it’s a rocky beach. It’s not a sandy beach. And so you can hear the waves coming in and out over the rocks. And to me, that’s just the most beautiful sound and I can hear it so well with my hearing aids. It’s like a high pitch sound and I just love it.

Dr. Mark Syms  27:24  

That is great. Well, we have Shari Eberts here, she has a book coming out. It’s Hear & Beyond: Living Skillfully With Hearing Loss. If you want to learn more about it, you can go to hearandbeyond.com. Shari is that the best way for people to get a hold of you? Or how can people get a hold of you if they want to interact with you?

Shari Eberts  27:41  

Yeah, absolutely. Either through hearandbeyond.com or livingwithhearingloss.com, which is my blog. And I’m also on Twitter, as well at Shari Eberts.

Dr. Mark Syms  27:51  

How often do you post published blog posts?

Shari Eberts  27:54  

I try and do it weekly. 

Dr. Mark Syms  27:57  

Wow. Yeah, that’s great. I’m gonna take Well, this has been great. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I look forward to reading your book and learning more about it. You know, I’m always I’m really passionate about people doing well with it. So anything I can discern from it to help my patients to hear better and be better connected to their friends and family and stay independent. I’m all for it. So I look forward to getting my copy that I’m going to order when we’re done and go from there. Thank you so much. It’s great talking to you.

Dr. Mark Syms  28:26  

Thanks for coming on.

Outro  28:30  

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