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Dr. Suzy Levy – The Benefits and Future of Earlens Hearing Devices

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Dr. Suzy Levy

Dr. Suzanne (Suzy) Levy is the Senior Director of Professional Education, Clinical Research, and Clinical Operations at Earlens Corporation. She has worked with Earlens for over 11 years, starting as a clinical researcher and working her way up to her current role as the leader of clinical research and clinical operations. She is an experienced audiologist and researcher with a knack for clinical trial management and medical device start-up. She received her PhD in biomedical engineering at Boston University.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn: 

  • Dr. Suzy Levy talks about how biomedical engineering relates to audiology
  • The effects of binaural versus monaural hearing
  • What are the differences between Earlens’ aids and other hearing devices?
  • Dr. Levy explains how Earlens’ devices are better at conveying sound 
  • Premium features that are available with Earlens 
  • What does the future look like for hearing aids?

In this episode…

Hearing aids are the most important tool to combat the effects of hearing loss. There are other methods and devices, but none that have the same ubiquity and accessibility. They are crucial to better hearing, and as a result, need the most innovation of any technology in the field. On that front, Earlens has been leading the way.

Earlens is on the cutting edge of hearing aid technology and has found a unique path to better hearing. They utilize a nonsurgical device that directly vibrates the eardrum instead of further amplifying sound. The end product is a much more natural sound that retains the richness lost by some other hearing aids. Want to find out more about their work?

Dr. Mark Syms hosts Dr. Suzy Levy, the Senior Director of Professional Education, Clinical Research, and Clinical Operations at Earlens, to learn about their innovative technology and current research. The two go into the science behind hearing aids and what separates Earlens from the competition. They also go over what the future of hearing technology holds, how to simulate proper hearing, and what it’s like to have monaural hearing. All this and more on this episode of the ListenUp! podcast.

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Sponsor for this episode…

This episode is brought to you by the Arizona Hearing Center.

The Arizona Hearing Center is a cutting-edge hearing care facility providing comprehensive, family-focused care. Approximately 36 million Americans suffer from some sort of hearing loss, more than half of whom are younger than the age of 65. That’s why the team at the Arizona Hearing Center is focused on providing the highest-quality care using innovative technologies and inclusive treatment plans. 

As the Founder of the Arizona Hearing Center, Dr. Mark Syms is passionate about helping patients effectively treat their hearing loss so that they can stay connected with their family and friends and remain independent. He knows first-hand how hearing loss can impact social connection and effective communication. By relying on three core values—empathy, education, and excellence—Dr. Syms and his team of hearing loss experts are transforming the lives of patients. 

So what are you waiting for? Stop missing out on the conversation and start improving your quality of life today!  

To learn more about the Arizona Hearing Center, visit https://www.azhear.com/ or call us at 602-307-9919. We don’t sell hearing aids—we treat your hearing loss.

Episode Transcript

Intro 0:04

Welcome to the ListenUp! podcast where we explore hearing loss communication, connections and health.

Dr. Mark Syms 0:15

Hi, Dr. Mark Syms here, I host the listen to podcast where I feature leaders in health care. Past guests include Dr. Drew Dundas and Dr. Rodney Perkins. Both people who work for Earlens and we have another great person who works for is working on that innovative technology. This episode is brought to you by Arizona Hearing Center, I help people to effectively treat their hearing loss so they can connect better with their family and friends and remain independent. The reason I’m so passionate about hearing loss is because I lost a brother twice, first to hearing loss from radiation to a brain tumor and then again from complications from the brain tumor. I only care for ears on the e of ENT. I’ve taken care of over 10,000 performed over 10,000 surgeries over the past 20 years and taking care of 1000s of patients with hearing loss. I’m excited to have today. Dr. Suzanne Levy, she works for Earlens and helps develop the technology. She obtained her Bachelors of Science at UCSD and received her PhD in biomedical engineering at Boston University. She’s currently the Director of professional education for clinical research and clinical operations at Earlens. She’s been there since the inception. We’re excited to have her work, discuss some of the aspects of clinical hearing loss and treating hearing loss. If you want to get a hold of her and learn more about it. www.earlens.com and for me you can go to either www.listenuphearing.com for about the book or my clinical practice at www.azhear.com Dr. Levy, we’re excited to have you here. Thanks for coming on the show.

Dr. Suzy Levy 1:43

I’m really pleased to be here. Thanks for inviting.

Dr. Mark Syms 1:46

So you know, I know your background. We’ve met before but can you tell people you know how you ended up in biomedical engineering? What was your pathway to that, and then in Hearing Sciences, and then working on one of the most innovative hearing technologies around?

Dr. Suzy Levy 2:01

Sure. Well, I was always really interested in physics and math. In high school. When I went and I got into UC San Diego, they have a great bioengineering program, which I love the physiology aspect of it, and just the physiological Systems and how they work, and how you can apply engineering principles to these organic structures. And it’s fascinating to me. And I decided I wanted to pursue graduate study, I thought, I’d like to pursue hearing because I was born actually definitely here. And I have a maximal conductive hearing loss in my left ear, which means I’m effectively monaural. Yeah, that’s right, I hear from one year. And so I found out there’s a really good program at Boston University, have a PhD program in hearing science. We work with MIT and Harvard. And there’s a professor there, named Steve Colburn specializes in my normal hearing, and how the brain uses and combined information from both ears, the local I’ve found and understand speech. And he also explores aspects of hearing impairment on that pathway was lucky enough to get a spot there. And I always make the joke that I went to study binaural hearing, much like how crazy people go to school for psychiatry to understand why they’re crazy.

Dr. Mark Syms 3:35

Fair enough? I’m not going to tell you I totally disagree with that. So what was she? So obviously everybody gets a doctor get has a thesis. And so what was your area of research in your thesis?

Dr. Suzy Levy 3:46

What I did is I set up experiments to investigate effects and compare them between normal hearing and hearing impaired listeners. And it was speech understanding paths in complex environments. And what the parameters that I modified or the effects of pitch separation between competing talkers, spatial separation between the competing talkers, and reverberation. And I used all those variables to try to understand the effects of vinyl versus monaural listening, and then the detrimental effects of hearing impairment on being able to understand in those different environment.

Dr. Mark Syms 4:29

So that’s kind of simulating difficult listening right reverberations bouncing around right? Is it harder when the speakers are closer to pitch matched is that

Dr. Suzy Levy 4:38

yes, it is harder when they’re pitch matched. It’s harder when they’re closer together. And the more reverberation you add, the harder it is for people with one year and the harder it is for people with hearing impairment. Because one of the key aspects of what your brain does when it processes sound from two years Is that there’s multiple computational pathways that extract information at different spots. So they’ll extract frequency information, and they’ll extract timing information, and then they’ll combine cross the, there are neurons that look at common onsets across all frequencies. So when you’re listening in those really complicated environments, your brain is trying to use as many cues as it can find, in order to select that talker and correctly identify it.

Dr. Mark Syms 5:35

Yeah, that’s I mean, you know, as the practical clinical side, right, everybody complains, my hearing loss is the worst one, I mean, background noise are different, what we would call in our field difficult listening environments, reverberation, multiple talkers, etc. Right? So that’s what you’re simulating. Right? So you finish up your PhD? And then where’d you go next? Did you go right to Earlens?

Dr. Suzy Levy 5:58

I actually did. So it was cool. Because Sunil Puria who was Chief Scientist was looking for a research audiologist knew about each understanding. And they knew about that program there. And I, it was such a stroke of luck. It’s like, right place, right time he came, and he talked to me because I happened to be graduating them. And of course, the theoretical benefits of that device match exactly with what my training would suggest, be a good thing to do, which is not to do the signal processing outside in the computer, in a hearing aid, but rather to try to get as much of that information to your brain as possible, so that your brain can use it, to try to understand speech better.

Dr. Mark Syms 6:45

So you’re referring to Earlens versus regular hearing aid. So, you know, for people who aren’t familiar, let’s let’s back up and talk about so in terms of hearing aids, typical, how does a typical hearing aid work and then we’re going to talk about what you just said in terms of getting making the speech processing in the brain rather than in the area/

Dr. Suzy Levy 7:04

Right. Acoustic hearing aids or air conduction hearing aids are the most common type of hearing aids and they come in all different types of form factors. But no matter what they look like, they’ll work in basically the same way, which is that they have a microphone, and then a little processor inside the case, detecting the sound around you, it’s processing it and applying different amounts of amplification to it based on your hearing loss. It’s programmed with, it’s been attached to a little speaker, which is inside your ear canal, then the speaker emits louder sound has been processed by the hearing aid into your ear canal, which then of course, travels down the natural hearing system where bounces off your eardrum vibrates the middle ear, and then it goes into the cochlea, which of course suns the neural signal to the brain.

Dr. Mark Syms 8:00

Okay, and then. So, Earlens you are have been working on since you finished your PhD? How is that different? So when you said you want the processing in the brain to talk about that difference?

Dr. Suzy Levy 8:11

Right. So all, all manufacturers have features that include very complicated and amazing signal processing. However, they only act on the signal, and they only matter if that signal is reaching your brain, right? The key difference with Ireland’s is that it has no speaker. So the outside components are very similar. There’s a microphone and a processor. It’s programmed for your specific hearing loss. But there’s no speaker in the ear canal. And there’s an advantage to that. And instead, there’s a lens that rests on the eardrum, and it vibrates that your drum directly it actually vibrates the middle ear from the outside, which then in turn goes to the cochlea and to the brain. And the advantage of not using a speaker is that you’re not limited by the physics of trying to generate a lot of sound pressure, particularly at high frequencies. From the speaker, if you go straight to vibrating your drum, it’s a much more efficient transmission of energy. And what that means is that for someone with the same hearing loss, they could get much broader frequency range transmitted into their cochlea and brain and they could with the conventional technology, the more information you can give to the brain, the better especially you give it to both ears at the same time.

Dr. Mark Syms 9:42

And then when you refer back to those difficult listening environments, those property your brain processor, not the speech processor in the hearing aid is trying to figure stuff out like who’s actually speaking What are they saying? So the more data you get, the better that those by lack of a better word algorithms within the brain work to figure out exactly what being set to give you the ability to comprehend or audition. Right?

Dr. Suzy Levy 10:04

That’s right. So there’s a very well known hearing scientist named Brian Moore. sure you’ve heard of him. He’s a consultant for us, and he wears our product. And he created the algorithm that is in the product itself. And he has a wonderful analogy of trying to hear speech in noise that is very accessible. Trying to hear speech in noise is such a difficult acoustic environment, because there’s multiple people popping usually, from different directions, there’s a lot of times background noise that is interfering with it. And there’s typically reverberation, which is occurring mainly in the low frequencies. And if you think of a visual analogy of this, you can think of it as like trying to find a Waldo in one of those Where’s Waldo pictures, there’s just so much information going on. And you’re trying to feature see around the whole puzzle to try to identify the target, or what you’re trying to listen to if you’re thinking of hearing. So the more redundant information you can get. And the clearer you can make that picture, the easier it is to pick out Waldo, or to pick out that sentence of the person that you’re trying to listen to.

Dr. Mark Syms 11:22

Now. That’s great. That’s great. And so when you talk about some of the other limitations of conventional hearing aids, what are some of the other limitations, so the programming issues and things like that? So you’ve talked to speak to this?

Dr. Suzy Levy 11:36

Yeah, they’re pretty sophisticated in terms of signal processing, and streaming and Bluetooth. What there’s, there’s a couple ways that they work that provide challenges. One of them is that speaker and what’s interesting is that the speaker, those in the hearing aid is very similar across every single hearing aid brand, they all work kind of the same way. There’s only a few manufacturers that actually make them. So that key piece of technology that delivers the sound is very similar across them.

Dr. Mark Syms 12:08

And they are in their stereo files, people who love stereos, it’s actually the piece that they’re all concentrating on, is the speaker in their stereo set, right? That’s the one they really, I mean, they all want great receivers, people are really not stuff you get at Best Buy. I’m talking about the real high end stereo people that it’s always the speakers that they’re concerned about, because that’s really what gives them that experience.

Dr. Suzy Levy 12:30

Exactly. And so the engineers in those companies are constantly trying to find a ways to make that speaker better and better and to extend and flatten the frequency response. Because the flatter the frequency response across all frequencies, the better sound quality you’re gonna have.

Dr. Mark Syms 12:47

So when you mean that you mean when you send out a signal, you get the same gain or the same amount of volume across a broader spectrum? That’s right, yeah, it’s our highs or the lows or something like that,

Dr. Suzy Levy 12:57

Right. If you have a lot of peaks or dips, or like jagad, responses to sound quality will suffer. So they’re trying to smooth and flatten it as much as possible.

Dr. Mark Syms 13:07

And then broaden it to right and broaden it?

Dr. Suzy Levy 13:09

But if you think about the size of the speaker that is in your ear canal, it’s tiny, right? It has to be tiny bit in there. So it’s limited. I mean, think of a stereo file, like you’re talking about an audio file, they would have multiple speakers to represent the broadest range of sound, they would have a leader and a woofer and a mid range one just to be able to represent that breadth of sound that we’re capable of hearing. 

Dr. Mark Syms 13:34

Yeah, I always say to people, you know, every adolescent male knows if you want to make it louder, you got to make the speakers bigger. Right? It’s it’s kind of the same content of trying to put that little speaker in the ear canal. Yeah, it’s so how does Earlens overcome that? Because it’s able to vibrate across all the spectrum, or what is it, there’s no speaker.

Dr. Suzy Levy 13:55

So has a similar kind of motor to what’s in those hearing aids, but it’s optimized instead of pushing air to push the middle ear. So if you think about, there’s something called impedance, and it’s like, a mediums ability to resist movement. And air is like really soft medium, you can push it or you have to push it a lot right? To make a move, and then and then that’s bouncing on your eardrum and your eardrum and your middle ear have a really different even, though. When you match the output of that motor to the impedance of your eardrum, you get a much more efficient energy transfer. So you’re going straight into middle ear, and that gives you the ability to get this really flat frequency response through the lens that you can’t get when you’re trying to translate from air then the middle ear.

Dr. Mark Syms 14:49

For the listeners who aren’t familiar with the technology, the motor touches the first bone of hearing in a very small area. So eight directly drives the first bone to hearing and that’s why You’re saying that it actually vibrates the middle ear, not the eardrum itself. And so it’s got one point of transfer, which is very efficient.

Dr. Suzy Levy 15:07

Yes, that’s right. And so you get the advantage in the higher frequencies, they can go up to about 10 kilohertz for the entire frequency range. And you can also get low frequencies without having to plug the ear canal that because typically, when you’re trying to transmit low frequencies through an acoustic hearing aid, you can do that it can emit low frequency sounds. But in order to get them to pass through the middle ear, you have to seal the ear canal. And if you seal the ear canal, then it can generate enough sound pressure to go through the middle ear, otherwise, it will leak out your head and just go outside your head. And when you do that, when you seal the ear canal in order to get the low frequency amplification through, it’s not only trapping that low frequency amplification in the ear canal, it also tracks your own voice. Inside your ear canal, the low frequency.

Dr. Mark Syms 16:07

The sound when you plug your ears, right?

Dr. Suzy Levy 16:10

If you put your fingers in both ears and talk and listen to higher voice sounds, that’s called occlusion. Yeah. And so when you vibrate the eardrum directly, you can also get the low frequencies through but you don’t have to put up your canal.

Dr. Mark Syms 16:26

Feedback. Is there any differences in feedback?

Dr. Suzy Levy 16:29

Yeah, feedback is really interesting. So feedback force is when what’s being emitted in a typical hearing aid, when what’s being emitted by the speaker is picked up by the microphone of the hearing. He didn’t squeal on it. No medicine, when you hug someone who’s wearing hearing aid.

Dr. Mark Syms 16:46

I say it’s like, when the principal went up to the public announcement system in the gymnasium and started speaking and everything started whistling. That’s feedback. Everybody’s experienced that right?

Dr. Suzy Levy 16:56

Yeah, I remember hugging my grandpa, and every time I hug him. And so that can be annoying, especially if you’re sitting behind someone in a movie theater, and they have feedback, and they don’t know it, because they can’t hear it. Unfortunately, a lot of times, they can’t hear but other people can. And it can be embarrassing. So because there’s no speaker, the airline’s device, of course, doesn’t create that kind of feedback. But it creates a different kind of feedback. But it’s much harder to get much harder to get. Because the feedback that Earlens to me actually comes when you drive the eardrum hard enough, the eardrum itself turns into a speaker sound down the ear canal. And that gets picked up by the microphone. But you get a lot of gain margin before that happens.

Dr. Mark Syms 17:48

Anybody can make a margin the ability to make it much louder than a regular hearing aid.

Dr. Suzy Levy 17:52

Right? That’s right. So you’re able to boost the sound up a lot more before that happens. But it’s actually a really interesting kind of back. Because that your job as suniel chief scientists that is a lousy speaker. So it’s inefficient in that creating the feedback, that’s an advantage for us.

Dr. Mark Syms 18:13

Right. So you can go even louder before you get that that feedback. Right. Okay. That’s great. And so you say that there’s still a digital processing in the yerlan. So what does that do? I mean, if, if, if, if it helps the brain process better, what digital processing are you doing in the so what you mean by that is the digital processing is the speak, the microphone picks it up and what it sends to the year and in Earlens via the lens, it does do some things to filter or what so what type of things?

Dr. Suzy Levy 18:41

Yeah, so we have similar kind of premium features that other devices have. And these features include things like noise reduction, and directional microphones. Noise Reduction, is something that the DSP consent the signal processor chip inside the hearing aid consensus, there’s like a steady state noise and it can try to turn that noise down relative to the speech. And that can help with comfort, particularly with comfort. in noisy environments, people try and try to show that those features will help you in a restaurant and they struggled to have any objective evidence other than listening effort, improves your listening effort. But in terms of making you better able to hear in noisy your place. They’re not great at that, but they do still have benefits though. And some people prefer a lot of noise reduction and some people prefer none. And that’s kind of an individual preference. directional microphones we also have the those Can you have two microphones on each processor and they can compare the signal between the two. To kind of point aim the direction of the microphone in a certain direction. Like for example straight in front of you, if you’re talking to someone straight in front of you. And it will attenuate sounds from behind you, and those types of things, and also help you it’s it just gets complicated because typically, people are moving their heads around. And they’re not they don’t know what your brain is thinking so that they’re not pointing perfectly all the time. But they have very complex algorithms to do to do work. Well, one of the challenges with those soon as you get a little bit of dust in that microphone, you lose your directionality. So there’s a lot of times when some of these really advanced, great features just aren’t providing the kind of benefit that people really need. And so the benefit of audibility, of hearing more, turns out to be such a great feature, because you’re not dependent on those other things. It’s just hidden into the brain. Firstly, right? Yeah, it’s-

Dr. Mark Syms 20:59

Yeah, it’s it. I mean, people sometimes forget that that device is worn on your side of your head, which has sweat and oil and all of these things. It’s a pretty hostile environment, I’m not sure people really realize that.

Dr. Suzy Levy 21:11

It’s really hostile, they can get gummed up. And without me with any devices, like people, usually they start to decline. Like from being plugged with wax, like the speaker gets poked with wax that happens gradually, they don’t notice it. And by the time they come in to get it fixed, it’s like basically not doing anything that because perception is and sound memories so hard to be objective about totally subjective. There’s like a memory trace issue with trying to just keep those devices functioning well. It’s hard to do in the real world.

Dr. Mark Syms 21:50

Yeah. Patients, they don’t know what they’re not hearing. So they’re not very good at assessing what their losses, they only know what they are hearing. Right. Right. So you know, what, what things are you working on right now? Like, what problems are you solving working on solving right now.

Dr. Suzy Levy 22:06

We are working on implementing a couple new things to our, our algorithm, we’re adjusting some of the knee points that control compression. compression is what sort of controls the level of the amplification that you’re giving for people with hearing impairment. So we’ve figured out some things that we can take advantage of there, there’s a really cool project that is not ready to be launched yet. But that our signal processing team is working on, it’s a new DSP. And what that’s going to allow us to do is apply some really novel actually signal processing features that take advantage of our ability to control the whole signal. So I talked a little bit about that. But when you listen to an airline’s the entire signal is passing through the lens and the acoustics sound around you is not really mixing with it. So everything that you’re hearing is coming through the lens. And by that we control the whole signal. When you do that, you can put in different signal processing features that take advantage of having some of those frequencies present that other devices may not have. So for example, a typical vented wreck is not controlling the low frequencies, because it has an open ear canal. So the Amplified path that’s coming out of the hearing aid is mixing with the acoustic sound around you and you’re not controlling those low frequencies.

Dr. Mark Syms 23:36

You’re not getting pure digital signal processing, because some of the the native sound is coming through as well.

Dr. Suzy Levy 23:42

That’s right. That’s right. So there’s definitely an advantage to being able to control the whole path. Yeah.

Dr. Mark Syms 23:48

That’s great. So you know, I’m one of your areas, hearing in noise, right. And so one of the things I tell patients is everybody has problem hearing noise, right. And so that actually becomes one of the things so how do you measure like, what is it like, for normal people? In other words, there’s difficulty they have. And so that’s one of the things I don’t know if you can describe that to people because one of the big programming, everybody says they have problems in restaurants. And so hearing impaired people have more problems in restaurants.

Dr. Suzy Levy 24:18

That’s right. So everybody has trouble hearing in restaurants. And if you’re near a big city, or like we’re near San Francisco, the hipper the restaurant, the louder the background noise will be and that’s on purpose to turn the tables over again now. They know it’s too hard to actually have a conversation.

Dr. Mark Syms 24:41

Yes, no, it’s true. I always tell patients if you want to go to go to a very high dollar restaurant with tablecloths and wallpaper and carpet and booze, drapes, and they’ll turn over that table every four hours, but the price is commensurate.

Dr. Suzy Levy 24:55

That’s right. That’s right. But you can actually have a conversation if it is difficult. For everyone, even if you have normal hearing, but normal hearing people actually can perform pretty well, like, they’ve tried to simulate this with what, you know, stimulate a brain being able to process this stuff with computers, and it’s really difficult path. So our brains are really good at it. If we have normal hearing, when you put layer hearing impairment on top of it, a couple things happen, you start to miss some of the frequencies, you’re losing some of the day resolution or like the color there. But another real detrimental effect is you lose a lot of timing information. So you think about the Christmas timing information and you introduce some jitter. to it, it’s like blurring the signal a little bit. So if you’re trying to grab on to these really, you know, as many features, and but it’s blurred and duller, it just becomes really hard and hearing impaired struggle in these noisy places a lot. And it is really hard to get benefit for them in those situations. Because of that.

Dr. Mark Syms 26:09

Well, that’s great. That’s great. So where do you see things, you know, five years from now? 10 years, 25 years, you’re allowed to speculate as much as any of us. So where do you see?

Dr. Suzy Levy 26:20

I see. What are people talking about hearing now. I mean, not just my company or with people I know, you know about hearing but it’s in the news. Now Biden’s talking about hearing aids are talking about putting coverage in for insurance companies, I definitely think it’s quality of life thing. And it’s ridiculous that not recognized that way. It is recognized that way in other countries, medical systems, I think it’s great that people are becoming aware of the link between hearing and cognitive, cognitive decline. And these other detrimental effects that impact quality of life. I think increased access to devices, all in all is good, because it’s better to try and get your foot in the door. I mean, there’s the people always say in industry, by the time you find out you have a hearing loss, people wait on average, seven years to treat it. Seven years. So think of that cognitive decline data. The sooner you can interview people or trying to treat that hearing loss, the better however they try. And my personal opinion, I’m a self proclaimed like, live drinker of Ireland’s I’m not ashamed of it. But I think the more access people have to consume devices, the more people are going to realize that there’s something better out there, you know.

Dr. Mark Syms 27:53

Well, you know, I think people would be hard pressed to say them, the more information you get the better, right, the question I always ask people Suzy is is, you know, if you Who would you thank? Who are the you know, to get you here? Who are the people you would thank?

Dr. Suzy Levy 28:08

I would think my I would think my parents, of course, for being so nice. I was inspired. By the way this they’ve been so supportive. And I remember, I had an aunt one time who told me that being born with one year could be a career for me. We were laughing and laughing and being like, what, like in the circus, you know, and it’s funny, because it turned out to be true, it did become my career that. So that’s, that’s funny how that turned out.

Dr. Mark Syms 28:42

It’s nice that they’re light hearted about it too. Right? somber and sad, right?

Dr. Suzy Levy 28:46

That’s right. But um, I would think Rodney Perkins. I’ve been working with him for 11 years.

Dr. Mark Syms 28:53

He’s the inventor of Earlens he was on.

Dr. Suzy Levy 28:56

He’s an absolute, visionary, and creator. It’s like, there’s no limits to this thinking. But he makes things work in the real world. And it’s fascinating. And I, you know, I’m just so grateful for all the people that I’ve met that worked so hard to do this. I mean, like, this has been the bulk of my career. And it’s so fascinating to me, I feel like the luckiest person to get to work on this project. And I’m just fingers crossed, counting my blessings I get.

Dr. Mark Syms 29:31

Great, a great long way. I have to say, I mean, I’ve been involved with it for several years. And you guys are making leaps and bounds in terms of your innovation, which is excellent. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. And so the other question I asked you What’s your favorite sound? Because we are in the sound business.

Dr. Suzy Levy 29:49

My favorite sound. We’ll have to pick music. I like to sing a lot, but not like in a professionally trained way. A more like a karaoke or singing in the car kind of way. So I love to like the song that you can help out and sing loudly. And I’m really fortunate that my kids like it too. So we all get to sing together.

Dr. Mark Syms 30:17

That’s good. Car car drive karaoke. Yeah. Well, this has been great. I appreciate very much you sharing the stuff out here. Let’s see if people wanted to get a hold of you. How can they get ahold

Dr. Suzy Levy 30:36

They can email me at suzanne.levy@earlens.com, suzanne.levy at earlens. I’d be happy to answer any questions people have.

Dr. Mark Syms 30:52

That’s great. That’s great. Well, we’ve had Dr. Suzy Levy, she is let me I want to make sure because your title is you are the director of professional education for clinical research and clinical operations. That’s a lot out of Earlens. So you wearing multiple hats, and it’s been great for her to share with us about hearing noise and Earlens and how it’s different, and how it can help people to hear better. Thank you very much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. Thanks.

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